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Aug 10th, 2010 at 2:04am
 
im thinking about starting up a new campiagn and i would like to know...
1. what did you hate about 2nd edition?
2. what did you like about 2nd edition?
its my fav system and im really curious what you all think about it.
thanks for the help. Kiss
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Reply #1 - Aug 10th, 2010 at 3:15am
 
It's been a long time, but I can definitely remember my fave thing that changed going to 3rd edition, was the streamlining of all the rolls.

Starting with 3rd edition, everything you had to roll was roll HIGH, instead of high for this, low for that, etc.., Smiley.

I distinctly remember the rules getting easier to manage, allowing more focus on actual gaming.

That was at the start, then tons more stuff came out, but you know, you dont' have to use that.

Many fond memories of 2nd edition though, Smiley.

I still have some of the rulebooks around too, and of course a ton of Realms, Ravenloft and other world stuff that's 2nd edition.
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Reply #2 - Aug 10th, 2010 at 5:32am
 
2nd ed for me was for the most part seamless. Sure there was thaco and a few add-ons but really nothing changed in our group. The new editions books were just inferior art. The loose-leaf binder for the monster manual was nice in some ways but it  really seemed like just adding more stuff in that good Dm's didnt need and bad ones overused.  Besides in college we used the 1st ed PHB,DMG, MM(1&2) fiend folio and Deities and Demigods....Any more than that just slowed us down what with walking uphill both ways in waist deep snow.
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Reply #3 - Aug 10th, 2010 at 3:21pm
 
Dude, I love 2nd edition.  While I can appreciate the simplicity of the d20 system, there's a certain je ne sais quois that you get from crunchy systems like 2nd edition.  And really, is THAC0 that hard?  I don't remember it being that difficult, and I was 10.

When you read the 1st edition core books, you get the impression that they were making things up as they went along.  3rd edition is obviously geared towards hardcore gamers, and tries too hard to be edgy.  4th edition is, well...  I'm not going down that rabbit-hole right now.  2nd was just right; there was enough crunch to satisfy my most nerdy urges, and the writers didn't take themselves too seriously.  Also, you could still find some art that wasn't trying its hardest to blow your mind with how "TOTALLY BAD ASS" your character could be.

Oh, and Planescape.
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Reply #4 - Aug 10th, 2010 at 4:36pm
 
beyonder wrote on Aug 10th, 2010 at 3:21pm:
Oh, and Planescape.


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Planescape def rocked, the boxed set for the Blood War, right before TSR went down was epic.

The North boxed set too for the Realms.

I still have all that stuff, sitting on a shelf here, Smiley
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Reply #5 - Aug 10th, 2010 at 5:15pm
 
I've never even looked at Spelljammer!  They didn't have it at my FLGS when I was a kid, though I was aware of it and wanted to check it out REALLY BADLY.  How I would have loved it!  Man...  it may be time to hit up eBay.

Regarding Planescape, I never actually played in that world, though I spent many hours poring over the boxed set.  I recently picked up the 3e Manual of the Planes and they seemed to have really taken a lot from Planescape.  My day will come.
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> Are there any games harder than Nethack?

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Reply #6 - Aug 10th, 2010 at 5:29pm
 
beyonder wrote on Aug 10th, 2010 at 3:21pm:
Oh, and Planescape.


Planescape and Darksun for the ultimate win!!!
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Reply #7 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 2:46am
 
I love 2nd edition...it's what I grew up with and still have all the books for.  Loved Ravenloft and who could forget the Temple of Elemental Evil...I mean, it was amazing.  If you are really gonna roll out a 2e campaign, please let me know if you need a player...I'm totally looking for THAT game.  Smiley
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Reply #8 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 2:54am
 
beyonder wrote on Aug 10th, 2010 at 3:21pm:
And really, is THAC0 that hard?I don't remember it being that difficult, and I was 10

i think THAC0 is a much simpler combat system than 4e's 'lets see how many +'s i can pull from every player at the table with me'
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Reply #9 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 2:55am
 
Gman wrote on Aug 10th, 2010 at 4:36pm:
Oh, and Planescape.




Spelljammer, FTW!

i never got to play in these worlds or darksun.
i loved forgotten realms and ravenloft!
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Reply #10 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 2:58am
 
jharris wrote on Aug 11th, 2010 at 2:46am:
I love 2nd edition...it's what I grew up with and still have all the books for.Loved Ravenloft and who could forget the Temple of Elemental Evil...I mean, it was amazing.If you are really gonna roll out a 2e campaign, please let me know if you need a player...I'm totally looking for THAT game. 

im in the works for starting up a 2e even as we speak. ill be looking for 4 serious players. ill keep you in mind and let you know whats happening with it. thats kinda why i put this post up, to see who would be really interested in a 2e game.
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Reply #11 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 2:59am
 
anyone ever play ravenloft masque of the red death? it was good, had a lot of potential.
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Reply #12 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 3:10am
 
THAC0 was so simple...still one of the easiest combat systems ever.  All you needed was the attackers THACO and the defenders AC, how freakin' hard is that?
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Reply #13 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 3:54am
 
Any ideas on day/time/frequency that you are looking for?  I've been trying to find a good intelligent game.  Never got Masque of the Red Death, but played the original Ravenloft module and a campaign in the ravenloft setting...I really enjoyed the darker tone of that world.
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Reply #14 - Aug 11th, 2010 at 11:25am
 
ravenloft was awesome. i could not find masque of the red death, but had plenty of information that made me want it badly. the internet wasn't quite that useful yet then. i did have the nightmare lands (a strange but interesting set), the shadow rift (a long adventure that takes place after the grand conjunction), and of course, the grand conjunction itself.

i loved the horror genre for d&d 2e.....then 3.xx came along and successfully neutered it all, and now 4e is planning on rubbing salt in the wound. oh well, maybe it won't be that bad.
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